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Jason Chaffetz (@JasonInTheHouse), Republican, Representative, Utah, interviews INCOMPETENT Internal Revenue Service Counsel to Acting Commissioner Daniel I. Werfel (@DannyWerfel), Ms. Jennifer O’Connor

11/21/2016 6:02 Jason Chaffetz Shocked IRS Official Can’t Name ONE PERSON In Her Office

United States Congressman Jason Chaffetz:

… Inspector General, uh, issued their report on May 14th, 2013th

You were then appointed, I believe on May 30th, of 2013

What did you do❓

What’s the first thing you do when you walk on to this new role❓
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Ms. Jennifer O’Connor:

I, uh, got a badge

I had some training

Uh

I think the sixty-one O three (6103) training
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United States Representative Jason Chaffetz:

But how did you organize❓

Who did you bring into the room and say:

Alright, we

We need to move forward

This is what I’ve gotta do

Who do you bring into the room at that point❓
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Ms. J. O’Connor:

Well, it wasn’t like that

I mean it

It really was, um, the, the first and most important thing was the sixty-one O three (6103) training because, uh ( ❓ ) that
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United States Congressman Chaffetz:

Okay

So after

After you got trained, then, then what did you do❓
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Ms. O’Connor:

Um

I

I believe I met with Mr. Werfel to see, kind of, what was on the plate and what the ( ❓ )
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United States Representative Chaffetz:

Okay

After that❓

Yeah❓
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O’Connor:

Um

I

I can’t remember the sort of play-by-play, honestly
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U.S. Congressman Jason Chaffetz:

Who did you gather around you to get your job done❓
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O’Connor:

Um

I didn’t gather anybody around me to get my job done
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U.S. Representative Jason Chaffetz:

There was nobody❓

You just did it all by yourself❓
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O’Connor:

No

I mean my

My

My job as I explained earlier was to advise the Commissioner on a variety of things

Um

One of the things that I did, um, was to work with the, uh, a team that was, fairly small at that time but got very large later

Uh
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Congressman Jason Chaffetz:

Who was on that team❓
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O’Connor:

Uh

It’s, uh, a whole number of IRS people, and it changed, over time
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Representative Jason Chaffetz:

Go ahead and start with somebody

I, I

I’d like a list, please
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O’Connor:

Uh

I think the best way to get you accurate information on that would be to ask the IRS
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Congressman Chaffetz:

No, I’m

I’m asking you

You were the IRS at that point

You were the person in the room that they were reporting to

So, you come with great title

Tell me who you were interacting with
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O’Connor:

Um

The team had, uhhh, some sixty-one O three (6103) experts on it

It had, um, some tax litigators on it

Uh
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Representative Chaffetz:

Who❓

Who❓

Name a person

I want actual names
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O’Connor:

I, I

Obviously I would like to be able to have accurate and complete testimony and it’s going to be hard for me to recreate it

I mean I ( ❓ )
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Rep. Jason Chaffetz:

You

Can you name even one person you interacted with❓
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O’Connor:

Well I certainly interacted with Mr. Werfel quite a lot
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Rep. J. Chaffetz:

Okay

Mr. Werfel

Who else❓
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O’Connor:

Um

Mr. Wilkins was the, the Chief Counsel and I interacted with him
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Rep. Chaffetz:

We

We assume that

Those are the people you reported to

I want to talk about who reported to you

Name some people that reported to you
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O’Connor:

Um, I

I think that the best way to do it
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Jason Chaffetz:

I know, but you’re here in front of Congress

You knew this was going to happen

Name one person that you interacted with
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O’Connor:

I interact with a lot of people ( ❓ )
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J. Chaffetz:

I

I know you did

A lot of people

Name somebody
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O’Connor:

Who I interacted with❓
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Chaffetz:

Yes
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O’Connor:

Um

The Deputy Chief Counsel

Chris Sterner
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Chaffetz:

Chris Stern

What

Anybody in the I.T. arena❓
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O’Connor:

Um

I didn’t actually interact, directly with people in the I.T. arena

Uh

There was, somebody whose name was, I can’t even remember his last name

I think his first name may have been Ben

Ah
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Chaffetz:

So a guy named Ben

A dude named Ben

Who

Who else❓
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O’Connor:

I don’t recall
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Chaffetz:

You were there six (6) months

You had people around you that would jump at your very presence

What

Who are these people❓
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O’Connor:

Nobody ever jumped at my very presence I can assure you of that
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Chaffetz:

I’d like to ask ’em that

Who are these people❓
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O’Connor:

I

I again I didn’t interact with the I.T. staff very much
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Chaffetz:

Who

You were there six (6) months

You had some people reporting to you did you not❓
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O’Connor:

I didn’t have any direct reports

No
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Chaffetz:

Did you have people that were responsive, that you asked questions of❓
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O’Connor:

On any variety of issues, yeah
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Chaffetz:

Who did you ask questions of❓
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O’Connor:

I worked with a lot of people in the Chief Counsel’s office

Uh, if, if we could get ( ❓ )
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Chaffetz:

Ms. O’Connor, you’re a very bright person

You’re very bright

You’re very

You’re a very personable person

Why are you being so elusive❓

Why don’t just tell us who you asked questions of❓

Who interacted with you❓

What

You

You haven’t named a single person
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O’Connor:

I named Deputy Chief Counsel
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Chaffetz:

You named three (3) people that you report to

I wanna hear people that you asked questions to that ran got the information and then came back and gave you information

Name one (1) person in that category
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O’Connor:

Um

People who I asked questions of who ran and got me the information

I, I, I, I

I, don’t even think I can characterize anybody that way
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Chaffetz:

Do you, you

Do you ever ask anybody in the IRS to get, provide you information❓
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O’Connor:

Sure

Yes
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Chaffetz:

Give me one (1) example
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O’Connor:

Um

In the, uh, tax exempt organization, um, the person who replaced Ms. Lerner, whose name is Ken Corbin, was somebody who I would call to ask for information about how the, uh, the unit was working and
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Chaffetz:

Okay

There’s one (1)
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O’Connor:

… questions …
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Chaffetz:

How many

How many people do you think you asked information of❓
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O’Connor:

Probably a lot of people
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Chaffetz:

Can you name more than one (1)❓
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O’Connor:

I’ve named a couple now
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Chaffetz:

You
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O’Connor:

Um
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Chaffetz:

Uh, uh

Why are you being so elusive❓
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O’Connor:

I’m not being elusive

I, I

I haven’t been there, for
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Chaffetz:

How long would it take for you to get that information and provide that information to me❓
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O’Connor:

The IRS can provide that information to you
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Chaffetz:

Wh

Why can’t you provide that information❓
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O’Connor:

I’m not there anymore and I don’t have any records from when I was there
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Mr.

Mr. Chairman
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Chaffetz:

Yes

You know, I

I think you may be unfair to the witness

The fact is that last night the Commissioner, could not remember sixty (60) days ago who told him about the importance of losing those documents

Last night he could not narrow, sixty (60) days, less than sixty (60) days ago, within thirty (30) days, when he was told

I think that, uh, in fact the, uh, ability to remember at the IRS is simply limited
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Chaffetz:

Do you know Thomas King❓
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O’Connor:

I do
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Chaffetz:

Who’s that❓
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O’Connor:

Um

I think his title was Associate Deputy Chief Counsel
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Chaffetz:

Then you did interact with him❓
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O’Connor:

I did
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Chaffetz:

I think, uh, my time’s expired here

In

In deference to what this Committee does, I, I can’t believe that you’re not more candid with us and just telling us who you interacted with

A simple, easy question

It’s hard to believe that it took five (5) minutes to try to extract out that a dude named Ben and another person

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